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Siirrän keskustelun tänne. Eli jos jollain löytyy enemmän tietoa kyseisestä aseesta niin postatkaa tähän. Kun en mitään airsoft lehtiä tilaa enkä oikein ole perehtynyt kun muutamaan nettisivuun niin tiedon saaminen on välillä haastavaa.

Tästä siis olisi kyse:
http://www.bomanufacture.com/en/produit ... ANTOM-ZERO
http://www.bunnyworkshop.com.hk/news/20 ... echnology/

Aika kovat väitteet valmistajalta mutta näkisin tuossa mahdollisesti hyvän DMR pohjan. Todella kalliin sellaisen mutta jos se on yhtä hiljainen kun on luvattu se voisi olla erittäin kätevä. Tulen seuraamaan aktiivisesti mitä tästä puhutaan. Mahdollisesti jos saan raha asiat kuntoon saatan mennä pikkaisen sekaisin ja tilata tuollaisen.

Selailemalla itseni heidän FB sivuilleen löysin tällaisen Q&A osion:

We owe you more info in English. Gary Wyborn contacted us with some questions that he complied from the community. Here are the answers. We will try our best to repeat this experience as more news come along.
1. "The 350fps (fullauto) and 390fps (semi) seem to be a little low on some games and game areas especially in Czech Republic - is there a way to increase that? Otherwise Players with the MTO have a BIG disadvantage over other playes on those games! We usually play on games with huge differences in FPS Rules - There is different overall limits in AT, CZ, Sweden and Germany and we play in all of them. So I can't buy a gun for every game/rule and country just to have the right settings."
We agree and we are working on that. The key will be to offer the right digital interface in order to adjust to situations, it is not big deal and our system will support such app. We only have to build it in a way that we follow local regulations and cannot be easily hacked. This Part is under development and we already have included all future features capabilities in Gen1
2. "Is it upgradable? Why is this revolutionary, when 1/2 the features of HPA are not able to utilized within this system that costs more than a standard "drop in" from Polarstar and Wolverine?"
The whole project is not to replace HPA or AEG technology but to bring something else with a new gaming experience. It will be much smarter on the long run but it is too early to talk about it. At some point it was much more convenient to watch a DVD than YouTube. MTO is a smart concept that goes beyond pulling a trigger.
3. "Will there be anything at all free to adjust by the customer? Cycle rate, dwell time, burst/semi-only etc?"
Not at the early stage but it is scalable and Gen1 will give access to multiple features as they get ready
4. "Will the nozzles be changeable? like for ACR or SCAR-H? In Germany we need a special "f" marking on aeg's above 0,5 joule"
We will produce rifles for Germany that will meet local regulations
5. "What voltage, amperage, magnetic radiation? I'm thinking these are basically bb firing stun guns lol, how's the possibility of shock?"
No worries. We are so far away from any risk. That's an interesting topic though, so many "good" people will enjoy preventing airsoft gamers from risk cancer by keeping them away from MTO. To aniticipate any rumour, we will provide official testing to prove it safe. The Magnetic power is used to compress air, not as a propellant.
6. "Can it be disassembled, if so, is there a warranty voided? IF it break, who fixes it? Shipping from US to France will be problematic."
The rifle can be disassembled, not the MTO Box. If it breaks, you will be able to ship the box to France. We also plan to have our US operations by the end of 2016.
7. "Will there be MTO workshops in territories other than France? If not, will existing techs be able to be 'MTO certified' in order to carry out maintenance and repairs without voiding any warranties?"
Not in 2016 because we want to first set the first of production with direct contact with users. It is the reason why we do not want to run large production quantities, we set things properly first. We will have "MTO Certified" stores quick in 2017, many BO stores are obviously ready for that.
8. "Why is the single gearbox not buyable like comparable drop-in solutions (f.e. polarstar/wolverine/etc) and self-determined for the customer what he chooses to do with it?"
Why Tesla or BMW make cars? Both companies started by making engines. We have the same ambition in our field. We want to build a new shooting sport experience which includes a complete integration of features. Sure it is a different way than Wolverine or Polarstar, we wish them the best, we have a different project.
9. "What type of battery will be used? Will this be a proprietary battery or will standard lipo's be compatible?"
Today we say Lipo 11,1V but we want to offer a much larger choice. We can do it and it might be possible from Gen1. We will be able to advise on that topic by the end of May 2016.
11. "What are the REAL-WORLD lipo specs nessesary to fullfil the proclaimed one week of everyday gameplay advertised battery life and where is it planned to be located on the gun? (voltage, ampere capacity and especially discharge rate)"
See previous reply. By the end of May 2016, we will more concrete data for Gen1.
12. "How heavy/light will the complete gearbox be compared to regular stock AEG gearboxes?"
Pretty similar to AEG gearbox especially since we added the controlled magnetic nozzle
13. "What maintanance is nessesary after/during the advertised 1.000.000 million cycle guarantee?"
No maintenance needed. No deep sea activities is recommended though. The compression/nozzle block was tested over 3 million cycles (labo stress test). The key will be the electronic side. We take our time to validate each step. Once again, this a 2 years process, we can extend it to an extra 2-3 months if necessary.
14. "Which externals fit? Aeg-/ or Realsteel-parts?"
To make it simple, we used AEG M4 to start with. We have a pretty strong partnerhip with VFC and we agreed upon some of their standards which makes most VFC M4 compatible as we speak. We will also convert all BO rifles. We want to expand conversion to other AEG M4 platform too. Since the pistol grip is empty (no motor), RS parts can be used (adapted to AEG sizes).

Olipa pitkä lista. Aika hyvin vastasi ainakin mun mietteisiin. Tosin vähän epäillyttää tuo GEN1 -> GEN2 puhe.
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Kiinnostunut myöskin, ja kiva nähdä aiheesta vähän lisää informaatiota. Toki vieläkin ollaan reilusti hämärän peitossa.

Homman juju näyttäisi olevan sylinteri/sylinterinpää/suutin-paketissa jossa on magneettinen mäntä/männänpää. Tätä sitten pystytään liikuttamaan jollain ulkoisella magneettikentällä, jos oikein ajattelen?
Elektonikkaa on melkoisesti mukana, jos tuolla on liuta keloja joilla magneettikenttä tuotetaan.
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Lineaarimoottori, jolla lykätään mäntää?
Tai sitten liukukara itsessään on mäntä.
http://www.sks.fi/www/images/LinMot%20r ... akenne.gif
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Selailin Facebookissa heidän sivujaan ja löysin tällaisen videon: https://www.facebook.com/BOmanufacture/ ... 112022256/

"YES IT WORKS! Sorry for keeping you waiting. Here is the MTO in action. This is not a complete system but a firing testing session recorded in Jan. with no electronic driver which means 8 to 10 times slower than the final integrated version. The noise is also due to internal impacts that are not controlled in this configuration. That's not a sexy video but we owed it to you. MTO works, MTO rocks. Keep faith..."

Jos tuo tosissaan pystyy syöttämään kuulaa 8-10 kertaa nopeammin voi lippaat tyhjentyä nopeasti. Ja nyt puhutaan kuitenkin ihan vakio aseesta. Harmi että tuo heidän "traileri" oli surkea. Kaipaan ihan puhdasta ampumarata testiä.
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Otin valmistajaan yhteyttä ja pyysin heitä laittamaan videon aseen toiminnasta esim ampumaradalla samalla näyttäen vähän cronoa. Sieltä tuli nopeasti vastaus takaisin: "Hi! Sure we will!"
Eli toivottavasti jonnekin ilmestyy matskua kohtapuolin. Pakko myöntää että en olettanut edes saavani vastausta :o
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Taas pienen tiedonjyvän jaon aika. Pyysin heitä laittamaan aikaisemmin videon nettiin tuosta kivääristä mutta se ei tainnu ihan oikein kääntyä mun viesti kun sitä lukivat. Postasivat eri aseesta videota ampumaradalta. Eli tekivät melkein kuten pyysin.

Löysin videon tiedoitustilaisuudesta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edwojboQB4E
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Facebook-sivuillaan ilmoittavat että julkistus viivästyy tulevaisuuteen jonkin ilmeisesti ohjausjärjestelmän ongelman vuoksi. Toivovat julkistusta vuoden 2016 aikana kuitenkin.
Se mitä tuon firman tuotoksista netistä löysin niin tuntuvat olevan ylihinnoiteltua kuraa. Toiveet kuitenkin että tässä olisivat onnistumassa, koska onhan tämä rataslaatikko jo wanha, ja ulkoiset painesäiliöt vielä wanhemmat. Tekniikka on kehittynyt jo huimasti, ja se pitäisi kyllä saada kuulapyssyihinkin.
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Juuri luin että valmistus myöhästyy. Huhujen mukaan ensi vuoden puolelle. Ei oikeastaan ollut mikään yllätys.

"Dear All,
The release date for the civilian airsoft MTO Phantom is delayed.
Our intensive work on pro applications requires some specific certifications that impact the development programs.
Our system cannot operate without the proprietary driver and this is where most of the current integrated process is mutualised.
The system is getting better and better but we are unable to have a fair demo live for the public yet.
We are still on schedule for a release timing in 2016 but with no concrete date yet.
You are right to believe in this true disruptive technology and we thank you for your great support.
We will keep you up to date as good news come along."

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